Subject: Re: [theseries] Constitution & Bill of Rights Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:10:29 -0400 From: Big Al <email@example.com> That guy was telling the truth and the beans were spilled in the early 1800's with cases like Hepburn v Ellezey, Barron v Mayor and City of Baltimore and in 1854 in the case of Padleford and Fay v The Mayor and City of Savannah when all these courts said the same thing that the Constitution is only for the States and that no man in the States can claim and have a right to those documents. This is what the Informer has been telling us since 1990 but very few will understand although they listen. Eyes to see and ears to hear but they do neither said the Lord. or some such thing. Big Al William Kern wrote: > I was startled speechless last night (4-3-00) to hear some guy on C-Span > (I think-maybe it was Discovery) say, "Most Americans don't understand > that the Constitution and The Bill of Rights only apply to people in the > U. S. government. To Americans, they mean nothing." That's a fair > paraphrase of his statement. > If one listens long enough, even the elite will spill the beans! > William > Subject: Re: [theseries] Constitution & Bill of Rights Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:25:52 -0400 From: Big Al <firstname.lastname@example.org> Yes quite so. Read the cases I posted to William and you will get a better understanding that even the state constitutions were never presented to the average man on the street to ratify or to not ratify. Every original State constitutions so state In fact all parrot New Jerseys and here is the direct quote from the original 1776 July 2 NJ constitution "The constitution of 1776 was not submitted to the people, but its publication was ordered by the convention by the constitution of July 3, 1776." page 599 N.J.S.A. Const. Art. 4-end. Who were these in convention? All the land holders, power brokers and elite. Those having as the constitution states " a freeholder having a worth of at least 1000 pounds, proclamation money, (that's silver my friend as 2.2 dollars per pound), personal and real estate, and those having 500 pounds." Now the electors were to have "a worth of 50 pounds, proclamation money, clear estate to the same and resided in the county for 12 months." Does that sound like the average man on the street who was lucky to make a dollar a day? Not on your sweet bippy. That is why the State constitutions where drafted in secrecy just like the US constitution was. A man has already put this out on the net as he went to each of the original states and pulled every originial constitution after I told him this happened in NC and Jersey. I forget his name but he posted it about 10 months ago. Every state had the same verbage that it was not presented to the people. Only Law merchants having enormous sums of money were allowed to hold office. Big al email@example.com wrote: In a message dated 4/4/00 8:02:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, firstname.lastname@example.org writes: << "Most Americans don't understand that the Constitution and The Bill of Rights only apply to people in the U. S. government. To Americans, they mean nothing." That's a fair paraphrase of his statement. If one listens long enough, even the elite will spill the beans! William >> Tdog>> from what I've made from reading David golds posts, that's true. State constitutions are for the people the state. Have I misinterpreted something?